3 comments on “Are Ukrainians Nazis?

  1. “…..the Nazi SS apparently used it at some point.”
    Come on now Jeff, the “Wolfsangle” rune was the insignia of the 2nd SS Panzer Division “Das Reich”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
    If being an actual member of the NSDAP rates a 5 on your Nazi scale then a SS Panzer division literally called “The Reich” (some of it’s battalions included “Der Fuhrer” and “Deutschland”) has got to be a 6.
    I don’t have much time for mystical rune magic horseradish but the 2nd SS division went right through Ukraine in ’43, so none of this is a coincidence. Iconic symbols, the cross, stars, hammer and sickle, skull and cross bones, plus totem animals, eagles, lions, dragons, have a powerful effect on the human psyche. Put it on your banner and everyone knows were you stand, Mark it into your flesh and you have made a powerful psychological commitment.
    On your larger point you are of course perfectly correct, but the inconsistencies and hypocrisies of the left are only apparent not real.
    Boogaloo Pepe Proud Bois are fighting against their power base, Banderite Azov Right Sector Neo-Nazis are not

  2. “…..the Nazi SS apparently used it at some point.”
    Come on now Jeff, the “Wolfsangle” rune was the insignia of the 2nd SS Panzer Division “Das Reich”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
    If being an actual member of the NSDAP rates a 5 on your Nazi scale then a SS Panzer division literally called “The Reich” (some of it’s battalions included “Der Fuhrer” and “Deutschland”) has got to be a 6.
    I don’t have much time for mystical rune magic horseradish but the 2nd SS division went right through Ukraine in ’43, so none of this is a coincidence. Iconic symbols, the cross, stars, hammer and sickle, skull and cross bones, plus totem animals, eagles, lions, dragons, have a powerful effect on the human psyche. Put it on your banner and everyone knows were you stand, Mark it into your flesh and you have made a powerful psychological commitment.
    On your larger point you are of course perfectly correct, but the inconsistencies and hypocrisies of the left are only apparent not real.
    Boogaloo Pepe Proud Bois are fighting against their power base, Banderite Azov Right Sector Neo-Nazis are not

    • Interesting, I didn’t realize that the symbol was directly related to units that served in Ukraine during the war. One thing you have to give Ukraine is that it takes some cojones to just come right out and stan for the SS as the government of a major European nation.

      All that being said, my goal was to steel-man Azov — or at least the way the media (including right-wing media) in the US is portraying them. Giving maximally charitable interpretations of Azov’s symbology and behavior, is there any way a reasonable person could conclude that Putin is not accurate when he calls them Nazis? Because many right-wing normies are just assuming that the “Nazi” smear is the same thing as when they call Trump a Nazi. But it’s just not — I just can’t see any way of getting around concluding that these dudes are the real deal, and I just can’t see how the US can side with a government that so thoroughly rejects the Allied effort in WWII.

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